The latest Leaders Performance Institute members Virtual Roundtable focused on the use of internal athlete management systems (AMS) and, in particular, the challenges around maximising its usage and the solutions that are having the most impact.
From the conversations on the call, it has become abundantly clear that multiple challenges remain, there is still a gap around how to actually maximise the systems to their fullest potential, but on the flip side, there are some effective solutions taking place across the industry to shift the dial. For the first segment of the call, we laid out on the table the key challenges everyone is facing.
Barriers to effective utilisation
The speed and functionality of the system continues to provide nagging daily challenges that can slow down work streams – ‘we are reverting back to pencil and paper pretty quickly’.
Within organisations there are different levels of knowledge and competency around data processes and the utilisation of the AMS. The lack of knowledge alignment is creating challenges to the efficiency of processes and communication across departments. This will feed into the solutions section as well, but there isn’t often orientation around what actually needs be collated and why – there are many different viewpoints so too much data is being collated which is making it hard to connect effectively with the athletes.
This point links closely to the one prior. There is a lot of inputting of inaccurate data or missing data. As one of the participants on the call summed up ‘if you are putting garbage in you will get garbage out’.
One of the most popular challenges shared in the groups was the lack of integration between different platforms which are utilised by different performance departments. It is creating more work, data overload and not a clear picture for athlete development. Many environments are also finding that certain systems are very rigid and are instead looking to develop their own internal systems which are tailored to their specific needs – one member of the group shared that service providers and vendors are trying to provide solutions we don’t need.
As we know, one of the main reasons for data collation and analysis is to improve performance outcomes for athletes. Some of the organisations on the call shared that there still remains a gap in the athlete’s literacy and general buy-in about the systems. If we are unable to get the athletes onboard, it makes it incredibly challenging to initiate any kind of changes in behaviour.
Solutions and considerations to elevate effectiveness
Considering the complexity and ‘rabbit holes’ we can find ourselves heading down with athlete management systems, the conversation was a gentle reminder to ensure you continue to do the basics right. Capture the data effectively, consistently and accurately. There are important questions to regroup on around what’s important to capture, how is the information shared, how is it visualised and what does it mean? Start at a place of simplicity and importance.
We are witnessing an increase in different stakeholder involvement around performance: players, parents, other departments, executives etc. Be intentional in figuring out how to connect with them around the data. Ensure it is user-friendly, digestible, colourful if it needs to be – we should be striving to tell stories and create emotion around this so it elevates the engagement with the information.
Education is perhaps one of the most crucial elements in elevating the effectiveness of your systems. We need to strive to get everyone on the same page and focus time and effort on the ‘human elements’ of working with data to elevate understanding.
From an athlete perspective, educate them on ‘the why’ and work on engaging them so there is no secrecy, no fear, but complete transparency. Recruitment: one organisation on the call who have recently transitioned AMS provider shared the success they had around being intent on hiring people who were incredibly proficient with the new system and who could help the team build it out to maximise its effectiveness, as opposed to trying to uptrain existing staff which would prove to be incredibly time consuming. When athletes believe that something will support their performance, they start to take ownership of the conversation and it leads to those casual collisions we desire.
Another simple solution that has witnessed some impactful results has been a shared message from senior leadership to outline expectations when it comes to the utilisation of the AMS – ‘we are doing this. We’re investing a lot of money and everybody will be using it, it’s not an option’. A top-down message to bring everyone to a level playing field of understanding is a simple step to creating clarity and alignment.
It’s fair to say that everyone on the call is craving a one-size-fits-all system that integrates everything that all departments and stakeholders want – the reality is that it is going to be incredibly challenging to do this. Not trying to have a one-size-fits-all will take away a lot of stress. Instead, try focusing on building a database that can house what’s critical and then having your individual platforms that are specific to the day-to-day tasks.
Linking to point four above, a clear expectation from everyone to maintain high standards around data hygiene. It’s a simple solution but how many organisations can safely say their data hygiene is perfect?
Group reflections and insights
That question faced the Ireland women’s hockey team when they claimed silver at the 2018 World Cup and, in the intervening period, the team continues to develop its ability to challenge for medals in the future.
The team went into the tournament ranked 16 in the world and few observers expected them to put together a run that saw them oust India, whom they also beat in the pool phase, and Spain via penalty shootouts.
Ireland lost the final 6-0 to the Netherlands but in claiming silver earned their first-ever World Cup medal.
Lisa Jacob, who currently serves as High Performance Director across the women’s and men’s programmes at Hockey Ireland, a role into which she stepped in September 2022, watched that success from afar and reflects on its impact in the second part of her interview with the Leaders Performance Institute.
“The impact it had is kind of two sides to the same coin,” says Jacob, who previously spoke to the Leaders Performance Institute about her own career path.
“On one side, you’ve had success and you have realised your potential to mix it with the best when it matters most. Then, on the other side of it, that implicitly created an expectation that when it comes to another major tournament or the next one, they would be in the mix for medals again.
“In reality, the team have been in that ranking zone between eighth to fourteenth; and eighth is probably a jump when they won the medal based on the points, but in reality, Ireland’s current ranking of 13 is probably accurate enough. You’re fighting in that 10-14 space,” she continues.
At the 2022 World Cup, co-hosted by Spain and the Netherlands, Ireland were unable to progress beyond the pool phase. “In some ways, it’s illogical to think that you win the silver medal and all of a sudden you’re in the top two nations in the world, but I think some part of that created an expectation in the player group that they should be doing X, Y or Z afterwards and I’m not sure that it supported them to be their best,” says Jacob in reflection.
“It’s taken quite a few years to work through that; and part of that has been realising consistently ten games out of ten where they actually sit in the world rankings. But what I think is great is the combination of some really experienced old heads who were at the World Cup and have achieved that success. They know it’s possible and how they did it in terms of replicating it, but you also have people who were coming in and haven’t got that so they just have to work hard to mix it with these other nations when they’re playing them.”
Jacob explains that a sense of enjoyment has been essential. “The majority of the girls know that if everything gets too serious and too intense that it doesn’t facilitate their best performance. The group is probably 70% new so what might have worked for those guys who won the medal and what now works for the overall balance of the current group might be different.”
The power of people
Jacob, who contributed to the Leaders Performance Institute’s recent Special Report, Navigating Your Way Through Major Competitions, describes the importance of the work done at home in Ireland, particularly given the programme’s tight budgets.
“It might not be as glamourous as going away to play Argentina, but it’s really about making the home-based activity really count, being clear about what you want to get out of your training blocks,” she says.
Home-based work also provides the players and staff with opportunities for team-building through constructive engagement and feedback. “It’s something that Ireland have always been excellent at,” adds Jacob. “It’s making sure that you have really good people involved and not just good professionals. And we’ll find a way to go the extra mile. There’s always a bit of good humour despite whatever adversity or situation you end up in. The programme is in a good place now and what I would say is that the athletes and staff, when they travel, it’s not that they’re in five-star hotels, but they’re in very good places. It’s a far cry from having no money.
“What’s really good is that you end up in a position where things aren’t perfect and nearly every time you travel or go to a competition, you have situations where a bus doesn’t turn up or the food they planned it for that time but, actually that’s Irish time, not Spanish time or whatever. I think the power of people to deal with those things in a really good way is something we’ve been good at in Hockey Ireland.”
The programme’s work in the field of performance psychology has also been instrumental in fostering an open team culture. Says Jacob: “The group that are there now, the team is much younger. There’s been quite a lot of transition since that 2018 World Cup and, thankfully, there are still some of the players who are there; so you have some connection to the possibility of succeeding at that level but you also have a lot of people who aren’t connected to it and in some ways have no baggage either because as much as the lows come with baggage the highs also shift expectations, it does a lot of things to you. What’s good now is the people and the culture, the psychology, the directness of dealing with the things that really impact performance that are not really the first ten things that go on the page but are things that make the biggest difference to the players and staff.”
Jacob admits that providing a smooth integration for younger players is a work in progress. “One of the things I’m taking a look at is how we’re aligned from pathway to senior and how we actually support people to transition; and that’s in lots of different spaces but obviously that development squad to senior transition is key.
“What works really well in the women’s programme is that there’s normally like a squad of 30 and, every year, between five and eight of those would be development squad athletes. So they would do the majority of their training with the seniors but they wouldn’t have any expectations around selection or whatever but they’d still have access to all the team’s support staff. They’re in a lot of the team meetings, they’re in all of the databases. There is real integration, but the next step for us, even though they’re embedded in the team, is to be more personalised about how we push them individually to transition really well.”
Cohesion and connection
Jacob explains that physical preparation no longer provides the performance edge it might once have, as the world-leading teams are all so finely-tuned. However, “Ireland has always been a nation where that kind of passion comes out in physicality. The first thing is making sure that that box is ticked because I think it underpins a lot.”
Beyond conditioning, Ireland’s focus for 2023 – a year in which there are a series of qualifying tournaments for the 2024 Paris Olympics, including the EuroHockey Championships in August – is set pieces, particularly penalty corners.
“There’d be a huge amount of opportunity that comes from penalty corners,” says Jacob. “Reflecting on the last two years in the women’s programme, they’ve had a lot of opportunity but the conversion rate hasn’t been high enough in those key games to get over the line. I think it’s the smallest thing that will make the biggest difference; if you do nothing else, this is what we’re looking at.
“The last thing for me is the cohesion and the connection within the squad. It’s not necessarily a gender thing, it’s not specific to women, but that feel factor within the group and that belief of possibility and being on-track, seeing progress, and, I suppose, confidence in a sense. They’re going in the right direction. You can be ticking all the boxes but if that one is missing then there’s probably a bit of an empty shell ready to perform.
“That doesn’t just come from being positive about everything; I think really reflecting upon things genuinely and authentically, and having hard conversations about what we’re going to do about it and all that kind of stuff, breeds a sense of confidence that we’re doing the right things, we’re having the right conversations and this will bring us to where we’re trying to get to.”
That place may not be the podium in Paris. “Bearing in mind that the profile of the team is younger and in transition, you’ve probably got a large cohort of that group peaking more closely to 2028 than 2024,” says Jacob.
If Ireland’s women or men are to reach the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles, they will have to navigate a path through field hockey’s most competitive continent.
“Part of what’s so great about being in Europe, even though it’s arguably the toughest continent to be playing hockey in, is that you have a very good measure of where you stand. If you look at the world rankings and the European rankings at the same time, you’ll always have four Europeans in the top six in the world; so how are you mixing it with those groups? Are you getting close to them? Are you breaking into that top four in Europe?
“We’re playing those nations all the way through the pathway from under-16s. So in Ireland, although we’re planning for our peak to be at senior level rather than the Germans who win everything at under-18s or whatever, how are we making those gains relatively speaking from where we were four or six years ago? It’s also important just as a signpost to go ‘yeah, we’re on track or we’re doing really well or whatever’ but, yeah, it’s mission critical to get into that top six.”
Lisa Jacob is a contributor to our latest Special Report, titled Navigating Your Way Through Major Competitions: a snapshot from Olympic, Paralympic and elite team sports. In addition to Hockey Ireland, it features insights from Swimming Australia, the Lawn Tennis Association, Athletics Australia and Welsh Rugby Union. Each has teams competing in major tournaments this year, and all are bound to give you something to think about in your future projects.
What Leaders Performance Institute members said in a recent Virtual Roundtable about maximising the impact of your programmes.
The time was ripe to explore the topic in a virtual roundtable where Leaders Performance Institute members could ask others how they measure impact as well as any other considerations that emerge as part of the process.
No one feels that they have cracked it but four key themes emerged that you may wish to consider – some before we even begin to measure.
Are you creating opportunities for quality questioning? One environment within the discussions shared that the organisation is pushing everyone within it to ask candid questions. Quality questions underpin quality conversations. How are you driving this as a skill?
Asking good questions is also a powerful place to start to inform core areas for measuring impact, notably building to or working backwards from the end goal. Many organisations in the industry work off a ‘what it takes to win’ or ‘the demands of the event’ model. As a further thought for provocation, part of one discussion challenged the notion of ‘what even is impact for us in our context’? The key set of learnings from this theme is that before we begin jumping into measurement, are we clear on what it is we want to measure, why and does it align to the outcome we are seeking? Use great questions to help you get there.
The notion of relationship mapping – charting the relationships of individuals and organisations – featured strongly within the conversations and was a takeaway that a number of those in the discussion were keen to explore further within their own environments. One organisation shared that they have trialled relationship mapping amongst the performance support team, specifically looking at groups who have been working together for an extended period of time, with embedded systems and processes to better understand how they are collaborating, approach problem-solving and, occasionally, compromise with one another. The purpose of this concept is to enable them to interrogate the contextual relationship that exists between the people within the team on a personal and professional level.
As an extension to the point above, another organisation on the call had shared that they have begun to measure the performance support team outside of results – measuring the team as a team. The feeling amongst the group was that effective collaboration is a key ingredient of the athlete’s development and thus, the end result. Focus on the process of how we operate as a staffing group. A final thought on this point is that often executives can place the emphasis on formal appraisals and quantitative insight, but the sweet spot lies in the working relationships between support team members.
In the key takeaways at the end of the call, a popular response from the group was the insight of ‘consistency and efficiency over quantity of measurables.’ The objective of measuring impact is to track progress, benchmark and better understand fit to context. Aligning to the previous point around understanding what it is we need to measure, clarity around ‘what it takes to win’.
With clarity on measurements driven by the model, true interdisciplinary conversations can occur and alignment is present. These conversations need to be living, breathing and driving development every day, and include key ingredients such as outcome goals, performance goals, deliverables, adaptations and tactics (for getting there), as well as individual development plans of the athletes.
How intentional are your organisation in providing updates and debriefing opportunities around key measurements? One organisation shared the best practice they adapted from Pixar which was created to aid conversation and action points – departments are asked to present back, not only to validate ideas but to create a thinktank environment.
Throughout the set of conversations, most organisations engage in surveying and appraisals to measure the impact of delivery, something which is standard practice in most environments. Around the table, the group looked to take thinking around surveying to another layer, in particularly highlighting how to make the most out of them as a tool.
Surveys, whether shared with athletes or staff are typically very quantitative rather than being more qualitative and asking of open questions. With the notion that quality questions underpin quality conversations, can we develop our use of surveying to provide more detail than just metrics? A great example of this from the athlete perspective is ‘did they achieve what they wanted to achieve?’ as a qualitative measurement.
Finally, the discussed that we are in the business of developing people as well as athletes. We should look to be proactive in measuring impact of wellbeing within the environment and taking accountability to make this a main stay of any programme impact.
The group takeaways and questions
At the end of the call, attendees were asked to share a reflection for future consideration:
The performance specialist discusses the resolution of conflicting ideas and managing the fallout when things go wrong in high performance.
“There’s factors in every culture that pre-exists the leader’s vision – that’s the thing that most people don’t want to admit,” says Jack Easterby.
The performance specialist, who most recently served as the Executive Vice President of Football Operations at the Houston Texans, is referring to the limitations that face a leader. “Sometimes that’s weather, sometimes that’s facilities and sometimes that’s the finances of the club,” he continues.
“If you set your vision based on ideal circumstances and you don’t consider major footprint factors, issues that have held things back in the past, then your vision will never find traction. The balance is: are you receiving from your people the risk factors or the inhibitors of the past and why they haven’t gotten to where they want to be? Are you receiving those and reincorporating them in your new vision? If you don’t do that then even the best vision is doomed to fail.”
This is the second part of the Leaders Performance Institute’s recent interview with Easterby. The first instalment focused on the questions a leader must ask their people. This one hones in on conflict management.
‘People are more attached to motives than ideas’
Easterby argues that a leader must move away from focusing on the origin of an idea to the process of implementation in as little time as possible. “You really don’t want to be stuck to one person’s idea ever. It may be a good idea that someone comes to you with, but you want to be able to create consensus,” he says.
“Everybody is going to have ideas, some are better than others, some will be more original than others like you can take it and put it in place and roll; some things you’ve got to change in a bunch in order for it to work.”
What approach does he take when two people come to him with conflicting ideas? “My first reaction is to ask myself: ‘can we jump into the “why” of both of those versus affirming one or the other?’ because if I can get to the why of those; ‘why do you think we should do B?’ And ‘why do you think we should do A?’ Then what I may be able to do is come up with idea C that incorporates the ‘why’ from both of them and we may actually be doing a different idea in the end.
“People are more attached to motives than they are to ideas. For example, if someone says ‘I want to do expense reports differently because I believe that it costs me too much time to do it this way’, the motive for me is to save time. They don’t really care if they have a debit card or they’re paying online or whatever; they’re really just saying ‘this costs me a lot of time’. You don’t just want to say that idea A is better than idea B, you want to get the motive from idea A, the motive from idea B, and then you want to say ‘how do we consider all of the motives behind these ideas before we implement it?’ ‘They might be saying idea A but they’re not saying that, what they mean is this’. You can then build consensus with idea C.
“You want to know the ‘why’ behind the idea because there’s a lot of time people make great suggestions and you listen to it and think the why behind it is right and pure, ‘let’s go with it’. There’s other times that people make suggestions and these people are tired and frustrated right now, they’re upset with their co-workers, they’ve got some things going on personally. I’ve got to make sure I filter that and ask more questions about the motive to see if that’s really where we should be going with this initiative or not.”
Always have a backup
What about those times when systems simply fail? “The number one thing when moving on from systems failure – this is something I wish I would have done better in Houston – is to recognise that system failure can’t be deflating for the entire team,” says Easterby, reflecting on the time he spent at the Texans between 2019 and 2022.
“No matter what the system is that’s not working, you need to be able to insulate yourself from operating poorly because that system didn’t work. So if something is going wrong in athletic training, if something is going wrong in operations, if something is going wrong with salary cap administration, all of those things have to be done in a way that if something goes wrong there’s another system that you can run temporarily or a backup philosophy that you can operate so that everybody is not looking and going ‘oh my goodness, we’ve failed’ because you can’t let the confidence of the entire group be attached to one system.
“I would say that one of the greatest things I experienced in New England, which was really cool, is that Coach Belichick often had multiple systems in play but the same initiative. So if it were an athletic training situation, he had a couple of different trainers who could do the same job just in case we needed to replace one or something happened. If it was a situation when we were travelling, he had multiple contingencies so that there wasn’t just one thing that threw us off and everyone felt deflated and the confidence of the team was lost because we didn’t execute.
“You never want any particular system to carry the entire confidence of the group. You want to have a lot of layers in there because a lot of things can go wrong in athletics and you’re naturally going to be on your heels some. So if you can create systems, lily pads that you need in case you need to jump from one to the other, that’s the way to do it.
“If the system does fail, the leader has got to be willing to say ‘hey, I didn’t do this right, I missed this, this factor I didn’t consider’; whatever it is, just confess that, because it’s going to open the gate. If you get into blame it’s going to disenfranchise people and they may turn their backs on you, you’re not going to have a chance to build the system back right.
“I like the idea of putting a few people in a committee and potentially starting a meeting structure to talk about why that system failed immediately. ‘Hey, these three people, you guys were really a part of that system. Let’s come to my office, let’s share, let’s get on the white board, let’s talk about why this didn’t work, because your “whys” are going to go right into your new system.’
“You’re going to be learning a lot about why something potentially didn’t work and that’s going to give you the keys to the new system when you’re building it. I like committees or actions that can give you some good feedback; ‘this is potentially where the tension point was and why we didn’t do a good job’ and then you begin to edit. Then I like sharing the results of those meetings publicly within the team. ‘This didn’t work, this is what we found, and here’s how we’ve been addressing those needs, and we’ll meet and implement this new system when it’s ready’.”
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Views from GB Bobsleigh, Swimming Australia, Wales Rugby, UK Sport and London’s West End theatre.
It is a topic that comes up with regularity at the Leaders Performance Institute and, here, we present the approach of British bobsledder Montell Douglas; Swimming Australia’s Head Coach Rohan Taylor, Wales women’s rugby union team Head Coach Ioan Cunningham; Jayne Ellis, currently a performance advisor with UK Sport; and actor Dom Simpson, who delivers a view from the world of the performing arts.
We distil their responses into five essential considerations.
“I address my performance gaps through real, basic goal-setting. In the sense that there’s always a process,” says Montell Douglas, who competed for Great Britain in the two-person bobsleigh at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics. Previously, she competed for her nation in the 100m and 4x100m relay at the 2008 Summer Olympics, also in Beijing. In completing the switch she made British history. It was something she was aware of in the build-up to the Games and here she gives the Leaders Performance Institute an insight into the continuous conversation she had with herself.
“What does British history mean?” she continues. “I reverse-engineered the goal, looked back and said ‘this means I have to do X’. ‘But where am I now? Well, I’m right here and that means I have to do this’.
“One of the things was ‘what does my sport need? What do you require? Am I reflective of a history-making athlete?’ If not, then I’m making those little adjustments; ‘I need to gain four kilos by this date’, for example.”
Douglas interrogated herself constantly. “It enabled me to make clear targets and goals, with deadlines for all that was needed, because you have to be ready on 20 February 2022 [in the case of the Olympic bobsleigh]. You can’t be ready on 21 February 2022 – it’s too late.”
The coaches have a role to play too. “It’s having a two-way conversation,” says Ioan Cunningham. “Footage is huge and we have individual development plans for players. So if our number nine [scrum half] needs to work on her pass off the base so that it’s quicker and she needs to get the ball off the deck, that’ll be a performance plan for her.
“How does she get better? Link it to footage and then have constant catch-ups every week or two where you go ‘look, this is better – you can see it’s better. The ball is in the ten’s hands [fly half] much quicker’.
“The ten could then give her feedback as well and say ‘yes, the passing is much better, it’s faster and more accurate’; and then breaking that down to the drills she needs to do to make sure that it gets her passing better.”
Actor Dom Simpson, who stars as Elder Price in the West End production of The Book of Mormon in London, also prefers a two-way discussion in his work. “My agent always describes it as a ‘dance’,” he tells the Leaders Performance Institute. “I can do one thing for a dance but the partners have to be working together to make that work.
“An issue, for example, could be my director coming to me and saying ‘this scene is not quite reading right. Maybe we can try this?’ and a lot of the time that works best when it’s a collaborative discussion – I don’t think anyone works best when it’s ‘do this and it’ll be better’ because unless I have an understanding of why that is it won’t feel like the best way to do it.”
Simpson also explains that the best directors facilitate the actor’s path to the best agreed outcome. He says: “The best creatives that I’ve ever worked with, they allow that conversation to happen and they facilitate you finding the answer. They ask questions that make you find the answer that they just want to tell you anyway so that there’s a feeling of ‘we both got to it’, whereas the director might be saying ‘I knew that’s where we wanted to get to but I had to allow you to find that for it to feel real’. When we talk about the ‘truth’ in a scene, a lot of the time that’s how we get to the bottom of an issue.”
Cunningham tells the Leaders Performance Institute of a hypothetical scenario involving an athlete. “A player may need more power in her lower legs, so that becomes a three-way conversation with the S&C coach,” he says. “[The player will say] ‘OK, if I do this, it’ll make me a better rugby player, it’ll make me more powerful, and it’ll get me picked’.”
The multidisciplinary approach was taken by Jayne Ellis and British Wheelchair Basketball during her time serving as the organisation’s Performance Director. Much like at Wales Rugby, performance questions were generally raised in an athlete’s individual development plan between the athlete themselves and the coach. “They determine what the objectives are and the rest of the staff will work around and towards those objectives,” she told the Leaders Performance Institute in 2021.
Progress was tracked at fortnightly meetings for both the men’s and women’s teams. “That’s when we look at how everybody’s work programme is feeding into that athlete achieving that objective,” she continued. “Then there are different bits and pieces that we do with each practitioner in order to assess where they are with things and where they want to go. That all gets captured so that the player can see their development. Sometimes when you’re an athlete and you’re in the grind, you’re like ‘this is so difficult, I don’t feel like I’m progressing’ but then you’ve got this whole piece here, which helps you see that you are progressing and that’s why it’s important.”
At Swimming Australia, coaches and practitioners attend monthly meetings specific to their event or discipline in order to ensure everyone is on track. Head Coach Rohan Taylor will drop into those meetings and is always on hand to discuss performance issues with athletes and their coaches as he travels to the state hubs located across Australia.
“I’ll ask questions; [for example] ‘So you’re having trouble here? Have you spoken to somebody else?’ because I get to see everybody around the country. I might see a solution in Western Australia, in Perth, and I can say ‘have you connected with this person?’ I’m kind of guiding and advising them where to go.
“If I think they’re at a road block, I’d hope that they’ve already done that. That’s the system that’s set up. If not, I’d be saying ‘have you done that? Have you done this?’ I saw a good example this morning [concerning] an athlete who is struggling to absorb feedback around the communication on their skill development; the tasks. I just watched and I observed and I just said to the coach and the biomechanist ‘have you guys tried just letting him watch what it looks like when it’s done correctly by someone else and just letting him go and explore rather than giving him too much detail?’ ‘No, actually we haven’t’. ‘So maybe that’s their learning style?’
“It’s just me bringing what I see out there and asking them the questions.”
Leaders Performance Advisor Meg Popovic continues her three-part Performance Support Series titled ‘The Performance Paradox’.
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Framing the topic:
This was session two of our first Performance Support Series of the year, which focused on ‘The Performance Paradox’. Across these sessions, which are led by our Performance Advisor and performance expert Dr Meg Popovic, the aim is to explore the trade-offs and considerations in the quest to win for staff, athletes, and their wider organisation. This series is centred around Transformational Learning Theory, which helps us to answer questions around how we learn to transform ourselves and the teams we co-create. There is one more session to follow.
Recap: the definition of ‘paradox’: ‘a seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true’; ‘a statement, person, or thing that combines contradictory features or qualities’.
Session themes:
Body/Disembodiment in High Performance – accessing the wisdom of the body.
We work in environments where the body is the conduit for excellence. The body is a tuned machine to create outcomes, and often we are individuals that serve the athletes or are service to tuning their bodies to greatness.
Sometimes our environments are so cut off from being in tune with the body, and in touch with the feelings of the body.
“Body awareness, as I understand it, has nothing to do with the technology of the body. It is not fitness or longevity that is at stake, although these may be by-products. What is at stake is the integration of body, soul and spirit” – Marion Woodman, psychoanalyst and author
Auto-Ethnography – a process and product, an opportunity to explore connections between culture and oneself. Personal experiences and the first-person voice is valued.
What would it be like as an ethnographer to interview your body? Meg explained a process she conducted during her PhD called ‘innerviews’ to explore the voice of the body. During this process she interviewed her right hip, and imagined if she was teaching her hip, what would she say about this character of the hip because it is often said that in the hip, secrets are held.
She gave the example that she would say that her hip is shy, introverted, private, not knowing what he is feeling with a blank facial expression. At every posture he is secretive and almost invisible, has depth and wisdom, and she needs to find a way to connect with him.
Meg then asked the members to have a go at thinking about a part of their body and she asked questions for them to consider to connect with their body in order to explore the inner voice.
Think about part of your body that has an ache or a pain:
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Discussion points:
If we imagine more space for athletes to connect with their bodies,
Where can we create more space for the wisdom of the body to speak to us and for the athletes to access it?
“A soul flower finds its nourishment in the roots that go deepest into the dark rich mud” – Marion Woodman, psychoanalyst and author
Matt Butterworth of the Australian Institute of Sport reflects on the organisation’s mental health services.
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“Traditionally, it centred around careers and education,” Matt Butterworth, Mental Health Manager at the Australian Institute of Sport [AIS], tells the Leaders Performance Institute. “There may have been some mental health support but nothing as formal and structured as a mental health service. Then there was a fundamental shift in how the AIS did things.”
One of the key milestones was the launch of the AIS’s Wellbeing & Engagement initiative in 2018. “The resulting services were a statement that we’re helping people to be the best athletes but we’re also helping them to develop into well-rounded people that can get on with their lives while they’re athletes. They’re also as well prepared as possible when they transition out,” Butterworth adds. “It’s not ‘you’re a high performance athlete and that’s it’, it’s more about ‘you’re a high performance athlete and we’re here to support you as an overall human being as well’.”
Within the theme of wellbeing, the AIS Mental Health Referral Network overseen by Butterworth operates as a national service where athletes, coaches and high performance support staff can see a mental health professional such as a psychologist for individual support that is confidential and at no cost to them. “The benefit of a national service is that you can operate at a larger scale to benefit more people across sports in terms of the resources we can build and offer in the mental health space. Then the sports themselves can choose to engage with the services they find useful.”
Here we explore where mental health sits in the wider picture for Australian athletes, coaches and practitioners.
Matt, where does the line sit between mental health and mental skills?
MB: There is a network of performance psychologists who are employed by individual sports and they focus more on helping people with matters related to their performance on the field, on the track or in the pool. This is more mental skills-focussed. Our mental health services at the AIS focus less on performance or execution of a sporting skill, and more on helping people in managing wider aspects of their lives, such as their overall mood, relationships, and day to day functioning. The issues that my team assist with, such as anxiety difficulties, may be happening during an athlete’s performance but they’d also be occurring in other important areas of their lives such as during work, study, or with family and friends.
Can you truly balance wellbeing and performance?
MB: I think a balance can be achieved. The way I’ve heard others explain it really well is for people to be aware of what their priorities are and to spend most of their time doing things that are important to them. That’s the terminology that I think we’ll start using a bit more down here because usually when you say ‘lifestyle balance’ you see people roll their eyes and start turning away from you. If we’re aware of what our priorities are, the important things for us to be doing, the things to make life quite meaningful and enjoyable for us, then that’s a good way to be spending most of our time.
How can you address the common fear, that mental health services are only for making athletes feel better about poor performance?
MB: I think the people who choose to come into a high-performance system, whether they are athletes, coaches, or high performance support staff, like physios, dietitians etc. they probably self-select in that they are quite focused on performing and wanting to win. My perspective would be ‘what are the things we can do to help them move towards that?’ There are times when you have setbacks, there are times when you don’t win. If you can accept not necessarily feeling awesome, accept when things don’t go to plan, it is quite important to manage your emotions and figure out what you need to do to change the result or get a better result in the future. If that involves people feeling a bit better instead of being absolutely crushed and devastated every time that they have a set back or they don’t win an event, then I’m OK with that. I would say it’s more about the journey and the trend to where you’re heading rather than feeling devastated any time you lose. That’s not helpful either.
How are the mental health issues facing Australian athletes evolving?
MB: Typical presentation issues for us are anxiety and depression. That’s the same for pretty much most mental health services around the world and it’s not that different in sport. It is not necessarily a new issue but we’re becoming better at detecting more things. I think our system is now doing more work in the space of eating disorders. We’re becoming aware of just how common traumatic experiences are for people generally in life and that people in our system experience traumatic experiences too. So we’re starting to get better at how we might educate people around that, how we best provide services to support people. An athlete, coach or staff member can go and see a psychologist or mental health clinician for one-to-one support if they want. The Mental Health Referral Network has been operating since 2018 and referral rates are continuing to trend upwards. Generally, the people who access the service have difficulties at the mild to moderate end rather than needing to go to hospital or anything like that, and I think that’s an indication that people feel less stigma and are more comfortable reaching out for support. We’ve evaluated our services in the last year too and our clients are telling us that our services are helping them to be more aware of what’s more important for mental health, and how to look after their mental health as well. We’re thinking about how we continue to make this sustainable and accessible for more people as well.
How can an athlete refer themselves?
MB: Athletes and other eligible people can refer themselves to the Mental Health Referral Network directly by calling or emailing us. They can also be referred to us by another person, typically this would be by an Athlete Wellbeing Manager in their sport, but we also get referrals on behalf of people such as family members, performance psychologists, coaches, doctors or other support staff. Anyone can make a referral on behalf of an eligible person.
What about the mental health of coaches?
MB: Any coach or high performance support staff member can access the Mental Health Referral Network. Our stakeholders told us back in 2019 that if we want a healthy system then we’ve got to look after as many parts of the system as possible – particularly the coaches and performance staff that work directly with athletes. Coaches play a crucial role in the wellbeing of athletes and the broader system. We know that the expectations and pressure on coaches are very high, their roles are multifaceted, and their job security can be low. This combination of factors can take a high toll on them and their families. With coaches in particular, there’s been a development at the AIS in the past two years of having a specific High Performance Coach Development team. They focus on how best to develop coaches in the Australian high performance system. Part of their work has a wellbeing aspect as well. We liaise with their team about how they best get information about services available to them in front of the coaches that they’re working with.
Have you enjoyed much success?
MB: Yes, I think so. Independent research that we’ve commissioned over the last four years has told us that mental health rates in our high performance system have been fairly stable across that time but access to our Mental Health Referral Network has continued to increase year on year. We take this as a positive sign that people are increasingly aware of the need to take care of their mental health and that they’re feeling more comfortable, and less stigmatised, to proactively reach out for support when they need it. A recent independent survey of people who’ve accessed the Mental Health Referral Network also told us that the service has helped them in managing their mental health, in some cases they said it had saved their life, and they want the service to continue to be available to them. We also know from this research that we’ve got work to do around building more awareness, continuing to have the right skills mix of professionals, and we’re about to do some work around how we keep the service sustainable into the future as demand continues to increase.
Do you feel these initiatives have built the credibility of the Mental Health Referral Network?
MB: Yes. The credibility of our programs such as the Mental Health Referral Network has been built by a number of factors. A key one which I think is a hallmark for any type of success has been having great leadership. My team and I have been fortunate to have excellent leadership sitting above us so that we could get on with the job of helping athletes, coaches and staff. There’s been many leaders who’ve assisted. Our current Acting Director of the AIS, Matti Clements, has been a leader at executive level and has really owned and driven the AIS’s approach to wellbeing over the last four years. I think it’s accurate to say that her vision and leadership has been transformative for our system. I think that other factors that have helped in building credibility is the authenticity and work ethic of the people providing mental health services to athletes, coaches and staff. The people involved have taken the approach that if we say we’re going to do something then they’ve worked really hard to deliver that for our stakeholders, whether that’s an individual athlete or a national sporting organisation or one of the organisations that runs the various games in terms of Olympic, Paralympic and Commonwealth Games.
What is next in the mental health space for the AIS?
MB: I think moving more into how we best support mental health at a systemic level, so the overall Australian sport system or the National Sporting Organisations (NSOs/NSODs) who are running their high performance programs but, at the same time, also needing to support the mental health and wellbeing of their athletes.
Does that research tend to back up what you thought in the first place?
MB: Yes, I think so in a number of areas. It’s also given us insights into particular issues we should be targeting more. The trauma space is one of those, the eating disorder space is another one as well, which is why in our Mental Health Referral Network we’ve done a lot of work to ensure professionals with those skillsets are available to help people in our system. Moving forward, we want to create pathways for people who experience more serious mental health difficulties. While the rate is probably lower than we have in the broader community, we’ve got some work that we need to do in that space around having good pathways.
We explore six themes through the eyes of the Toronto Blue Jays and Boston Celtics, who moved recently, and Paris St-Germain and the San Antonio Spurs, who will both move in the near future.
Each was explained by Angus Mugford, who served as the Jays’ Vice President of high Performance at the time. “We want to have a highly collaborative environment where different departments and people are close to each other,” he told the Leaders Performance Institute in 2019. “The open spaces are more attractive for people who want to come together. It’s the same thing with the high performance offices and space. It’s together and unified and it’s also physically and metaphorically in the centre, so that the ease of communication and collaboration is right there, but it’s also a space for players and coaches and other staff can be together easily.
“‘Learning.’ You don’t have to be in a specific room to learn but we want to create some specific environments where learning is enhanced. One of the critiques other teams were telling us about were in auditoriums, how easy it was for guys on the back row to close their eyes and switch off like a movie theatre, so we’ve leaned towards more a business school lecture theatre, which is less about lecturing and more about having a pulpit in the middle and more of an inclusive, collaborative environment between whoever is leading the discussion and everybody who is in that audience.
“The E is ‘empowerment’ and that goes for staff and players. That people can take the initiative, that we want players to be at the centre of that ultimately. So creating spaces where people have the autonomy and ability to create discussions; open meeting rooms. When we toured Google, that was a really good takeaway, they have this idea of ‘collision spaces’; so creating spaces where people can organically meet.
“Then the A is for ‘achieve’. Not just winning but really just more about a process of excellence and really trying to be consistent and thoughtful about the details. I think with the details that we’re trying to get into with the design and setting up, we also realised that in this process of moving in we’re going to screw some things up. Or people are going to have even more ideas that we can think about until they’re actually in the space so I think that whole process of moving in, taking feedback, and saying what people need and want to make that space even more functional is going to be a priority once we do actually move into the space too.
“Finally, ‘respect’ is the R. Not just for each other and the team but our environment and our physical space is an element that can be a thread throughout our team.”
Here, we explore six more themes that define a good training environment.
Efficiency is essential and that comes from frictionless circulation of athletes and staff. “You have everything on one level when it comes to training, preparation and recovery,” said Martin Buchheit of Paris St-Germain’s Ooredoo Training Center in 2019. Buchheit served as PSG’s Head of Performance between 2014 and 2020. He now serves as a high performance consultant with LOSC Lille in France’s Ligue 1. “Everything is central and everything is connected. From the locker room you enter straight into the mobility, stretching and warmup area, which is chronological as well. You get ready, you get changed, then you go for functional work. Afterwards, their recovery, the stretching and mobility area is connected to the locker room, the hydrotherapy area is connected to the locker room; it makes it very efficient to get those recovery routines straight after training.
Flow is also crucial to an aligned, interdisciplinary approach. “One of the things I’ve found historically is that people gravitate towards their own space,” said Mugford, who now serves as the Senior Vice President of Player Development & Performance at the New Jersey Devils. “The strength coaches may want to sit together and the trainers may want to sit together. People gravitate towards their own discipline and what we really want to make a commitment to doing is sharing that space so that we’re really maximising the collaboration. We’ve already made that shift over the past few years, but something as basic as that is really fundamental when we have affiliate staff and groups sitting together so that natural exchange happens as we’d like it to.”
The Jays’ upgrade made Mugford the ideal man to talk with Phil Cullen, the Senior Director of Basketball Operations & Organizational Development at the San Antonio Spurs, ahead of the team’s move to its $510m Human Performance Campus at The Rock at La Cantera, Texas. Cullen told an audience at the 2019 Leaders Sport Performance Summit in London that the facility will boast human-centred design characteristics that promote collaboration and creativity. “A lot of times it’s focused on the coaching element, which is extremely important, and player amenities, but how do you facilitate those casual collisions?” said Cullen. “The people that would be in your facility the most and have the most touchpoints are probably not who you think they are. For us, it was our equipment guy. Very often you’ll go back and the players are hanging out with the equipment guy. Why? Because they can just hang out. It’ll be the athletic trainer, it’ll be the guy who’s taping his ankles and helping the guy rehab.” This has been uppermost in the Spurs’ thinking, who have even installed TVs close to the ceiling of their current facility to help take players eyes away from their phones.
Cullen added: “How can we make sure we have the best possible experience so that we’re actually giving them opportunities in their career development; giving them all the resources they want to advance? So that when we go into the marketplace to recruit these guys to have elite talent in our building, we’re not only attracting elite basketball players and elite coaches, but also the staff around them. That’s where collaboration is key. For us, the human-centred design piece is really trying to break down those interactions and it starts when the players pull up into the facility; what’s that experience when they enter in, get out, walk into the parking lot? Who are they walking past when they go to the locker room?”
Beyond upgraded modalities, modern practice facilities need to be appealing destinations and Art Horne, the Director of Organizational Growth & Team Development at the Boston Celtics, speaks with a sense of awe about the 40-foot glass windows that overlook the city of Boston at the Auerbach Center, which opened in 2018. “Natural light is a huge plus in Boston when it’s cold and dark,” he told the Leaders Performance Institute the following year. “It’s an inviting place,” added Jay Wessland, the Celtics’ Vice President and Chief Technology Officer, who sat next to Horne. “All that natural light and the city skyline; we needed a place that people are encouraged to go and work out in; that they didn’t think it was a chore.” Such considerations were uppermost in the minds of PSG, who plan to move into their Paris Saint-Germain Training Center later this year. The complex is to include the Club House, which the club’s official website says is: “Entirely glassed at ground-floor level to provide views out into the surrounding landscape and create an illusion of levitation. Inside, a shape entitled ‘The Blue Flight’ rises skywards, symbolising the ultimate goal of all of the Club’s athletes.”
Cullen explained that San Antonio had an issue with the sports-focused architects whom they consulted. “They try to give you the best rendition of what they’ve just completed,” he said. “They’ll kind of tell you what you want rather than really listening to what you need.” The solution was to partner with an architect that had experience of other sectors. “All of us now are becoming small tech companies; the technology’s integrated in everything we do. Why aren’t we looking at technology companies and how they work to see how it can impact how we’ll work in the future?” The Spurs were left pondering aspects and thinking points they may not have otherwise considered.
Training facilities need to allow for the preferences of head coaches and PSG’s Ooredoo Training Centre, even as it comes to the end of its life cycle, has that covered – quite literally. In line with numerous clubs in European football, PSG have a 45x14m tent, which covers a pitch of synthetic turf right next to one of their main training pitches. It is a useful tool for group work. “A lot of work can be done outside,” Buchheit explained. “A portion of the group can be training outside on the pitch and the other half can be doing some strength work or some other exercises in this area – they don’t need to go back inside to take their boots off and a coach can do rotations. It offers efficiency and it also offers flexibility; depending on the coach, we’ll be using the tent a lot or not. It’s about being able to allow all staff and coaches to run their programmes as they wish. The agility of the building today is a legacy of the different coaches who worked with us in the past and so these adaptations are the fruit of a collective process involving the current and past backroom staff.”
It can be tempting to throw the kitchen sink at a new facility but the Spurs and Cullen are wary of doing so or being locked into one type of technology. “We’re trying to be intentional about not designing a space for one specific use because it can very quickly become a closet if it can’t be used for more than one thing,” he said. “By far the No 1 thing people tell us is make sure you have enough space. You may not have all the nice designs and be able to finish it all out, be able to brand it, be able to story-tell the way you want, but make sure you get the space because you want to future-proof and you can’t move around in it.”
Rob Pountney of Breaking GB explores the issues that face breaking ahead of its Olympic debut at Paris 2024.
He is talking to an audience at the 2022 Leaders Sport Performance Summit in London about the announcement that breaking was to be added to the list of competition events for the 2024 Paris Olympic Games.
“The decision was made in December 2020,” he tells moderator Edd Vahid. “We scrambled then to put together an organisation in a very short space of time that would enable the best breakers in the UK to have a chance to feel supported, have the opportunity to qualify, compete and obviously make the important relationships with the organisations, that I’m sure you’re all aware of, to support them with funding, training, and explore the new ideas of transitioning from what is essentially a cultural dance into the sporting system and find the ways that we can add value to the breakers – we can call them ‘athletes’ now – when you see what they can do I think you’ll appreciate the physicality and the dynamics of what they’re able to do.”
Breaking (sometimes known as ‘breakdancing’) is a type of street dance, characterised by four kinds of movement, known as toprock, downrock, power moves and freezes. It has its origins in the Bronx and emerged as part of New York’s burgeoning hip-hop scene in the early 1970s.
There is a long-established competition circuit and in contests, known as ‘battles’, the breakers receive no notice of what a DJ may play and they have to respond in the moment.
The challenge for Pountney and Breaking GB is to understand where they can add value. “We’ve only had one official test camp,” he says. “We went to the University of Bath Sports Village and essentially it was an induction three or four days but it’s trial and error for us because breaking is quite circular in its path and, to become an amazing breaker/performer, there’s no straight point A to point B. We’re not trying to be faster, stronger; ‘who can jump the highest?’ That kind of thing. This is about pushing the individual boundaries of your own creation to where they can possibly go.
Breaking’s current challenge was recently faced by the woman who sits next to Pountney onstage, GB Climbing’s Head of Performance Lorraine Brown. The organisation sent Shauna Coxsey, its first Olympian, to the delayed Tokyo Games in 2021 when competition climbing was itself added to the Summer Games list of sports.
“We’re actually employing full-time coaches for the first time,” Brown tells Vahid. “But part of it is understanding what it takes to win in the sport. Previously, if you were sixth-best in the UK, you get selected, you go to the competition. ‘Well done’. It’s more about the taking part. The focus on performance has definitely stepped up and really understanding the nuances and the performance standards within the sport and the massive cultural shift that we’re probably looking at.”
The challenge of shifting the needle remains ongoing for GB Climbing and, for his part, Pountney understands where Breaking GB can presently add value for its breakers (commonly known as B-boys and B-Girls).
“The benefit of working in a sporting system is the more scientific approach to the body. It’s not something that we’ve ever had to consider before. The guys are fit, they go to the gym, and they exercise but they never actually have any outside support in a professional capacity – so strength & conditioning, flexibility coaching, psychology, even nutrition – everything to do with what sport brings to the table can definitely benefit the breakers.”
Days before the summit, in early November 2022, the Guardian reported on a study between Break Mission, a British community-based breaking initiative, and Birmingham City University, to better understand the physical attributes of breakers. In the Guardian piece, sports scientist Matthew Cole explained that the breakers’ lab scores are often on par with athletes in other sports and were athletes in the “truest sense”.
Cole added that with growing sophistication in data analysis, insights could ultimately identify potential champions. “Take Lizzy Yarnold in the skeleton bob,” he said. “She went to a talent ID day. She had the characteristics, four years later wins a gold medal.”
Pountney is optimistic about the impact that Breaking GB can have. “We’re fortunate that on our board we’ve got two highly skilled professionals in Rebecca Edgington-Harvey who’s the Performance Manager for GB Boxing, who is used to working with data analysis and capture, and we also have Tracy Whittaker-Smith who’s the Head Coach of British Gymnastics,” he tells the Leaders Performance Institute backstage.
“Between them they are looking at video analysis, we’re looking at competition analysis of the performers and how they’re faring in competition, what are their strengths and weaknesses and we’re taking those bits of information and we’re doing feedback sessions regularly with the breakers and, in terms of a collecting data at the moment, it’s a new path for us, we’re only just starting out.”
Nevertheless, Pountney and his peers are keen to prevent breaking’s cultural heritage being sacrificed in favour of performance. “It’s also important that we try to create an environment for them that feeds their inspiration. One of the things we can try to do is find locations and hubs that bring people together.”
That brings its own coaching challenges. The United States, as one would expect, has an established breaking culture, while France, Japan, China and South Korea have a long-standing global pedigree. Great Britain, by comparison, is a relative newcomer. “Exploring the idea of who can come in to coach, that’s quite challenging, especially in GB, we don’t have high level advisors. Some of the other nations may have recently-retired breakers who are in that mid-30s age group who can come in very professionally, and they’ve got that respect level,” adds Pountney.
He is more confident, however, when it comes to the support Breaking GB can provide around fitness and lifestyles. There have been tangible results. In November 2022, the European Breaking Championships took place in Manchester, England, with Derby’s Karam Singh winning a silver medal for Great Britain. A month earlier, Breaking GB sent a team to the Breaking World Championships in Seoul, South Korea.
“We’ve got a lot of feedback from that we can then relay to the breakers,” Pountney tells the Leaders Performance Institute. He picks up on the importance of psychological support. “When you can see a breaker that’s having issues with their confidence or if they’re too affected by their own lack of performance on the day it’s important that they don’t let that show through because, at the end of the day, they are performing and judges are scoring them and what might be visible to them in terms of mistakes isn’t always very visible to an audience, to a judge; and so I think it’s really important that they keep that positive mindset all of the time when they’re competing.”
On the competition front, Singh, whose stage name is Kid Karam, has indicated that his aim is to not only qualify but win a medal in Paris and he is one of a series of British hopefuls competing for just 32 slots at the Olympics (16 B-Boys and 16 B-Girls will enter a knockout competition) and he and his peers will have several opportunities to qualify ahead of the event, including the European Games in Kraków-Małopolska, Poland, which take place across June and July.
Pountney explains onstage that having those back-to-back championships in 2022 showed British breakers that Breaking GB offers a transparent and results-driven selection process. It also demonstrated that the best breakers will have access to funding and travel expenses. That said, there is the challenge of identifying and developing the next generation from a talent pool numbering in the hundreds rather than the thousands.
It is a slightly wider pool in competition climbing, but Brown suggests that Breaking GB could seek to inherit athletes from other disciplines. “A lot of our athletes come from other sports,” she says. “They’ve already been in other sports, they migrate to climbing because of the culture, it’s not as competitive, it’s a bit more free-spirited, and if I look in our current team we’ve got gymnasts, swimmers, we’ve got people in athletics who have come to our sport. How do we still provide an outlet for athletes to try something different?” To be fair, there are already British breakers who have gone down that path, such as Stirling’s Emma Houston, AKA Shortbread, who gave up playing football for Falkirk to concentrate on her breaking career.
All in all, Pountney is optimistic for 2023. “The big opportunity in the year ahead is definitely qualification,” he says. “It will make a massive difference, the legacy of somebody competing at the Olympic Games will massively raise the profile in Britain of breaking as a sport. From a grassroots perspective, it’s a chance to look at how we can grow the participation levels and inclusion in breaking across the country, access to the school networks, the development of facilities and the provision of training spaces across the country.”